Hello Mr P.Shankar, thanks for your visit on the blog and kind words about it...I am publishing your mail as asked by you for a healthy debate and the enlightenment for the CSE aspirants....keep blogging.....
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REPLY TO MR. EDUCATOR
Dear Mr. Educator,
I appreciate your concern for my query and a quick expert comment which was very much expected from any layman educator because you simply failed to study my intense analysis inherent in my question put up to neutralviews of improving one’s performance in CSE.I am a bit surprised that an educator did not understand my question who boasts that he has literally taught students and on the other had we have Mr. Manmauji who is a part of virtual world in educating successful and aspiring CSE aspirants and has never made a deliberate attempt to disclose his identity on the lines of neutrality and anonymity. Well, what all I can say is that UPSC is very much capable of identifying great talents and one amongst many is Mr. Manmauji.
Here is a short reply of your analysis of my query:
(1)Indeed neutralviews is a platform where not only CSE aspirants but also those hardworking fortunate individuals who get through this coveted exams ask about their queries which consists of the nature and type of service, training schedule, their day to day activities,etc. Thus, it is an unique junction of all aspiring and successful bureaucrats. Hence, neutralviews can not only be judged in terms of "number of queries" it gets. For me it would be an under evaluation of a great person's selfless effort who apart from his training and other day to day activities takes out precious time in replying our doubts.
(2)You also mentioned to offer a reply in neutralviews's way which is far away from the principal on which neutralviews operates because neutralviwes's reply is always positive, optimistic, to the point, and gives very less room to further generate queries from his reply and to a larger extent Mr. Manmauji is also able to provide an appropriate reply to each and every query in a way which solve the doubts of persons concerned. Your reply is full of value-judgments (dos and don’ts).You have presumed that all aspirants waste their time in figuring out a 'formula' which is a great generalization and a vagueness personified. As Mr. Manmauji has rightly pointed that at the end of a day "number matters a lot".
(3)You are also not fully right is stating that all students opt for IAS as their first service preference. Let me tell you that quite a lot prefer for IPS,IFS,IRS(IT),and even IAAS as their first service preference. You can go through "Pratiyogita Darpan" and find out the facts yourself and various other articles are available on Internet suggesting that changing trend. Here, again your argument fell in stereotyping.
(4)Gone are those days when a person used to work tirelessly and spend days and nights in studying each and everything just to gain knowledge without even thinking of the end result. The yearlong process of CSE exam compels the individual to have some fallback career option not only for his/her own sake but also for those who are dependent on them. Probably you will agree with me that CSE aspirants are made up of various categories- well-to-do families, upper-middle class, lower-middle class and lower class. My basis of this classification is solely based on the financial status of the person and his/her family members. Thus, one can not study for CSE in an intellectual and scholarly manner and afford for arm-chair discussions .CSE aspirants needs to know from each and every walks of life in a generalist way without philosophizing and complicating things. Thus one can gain knowledge to empower but should draw the line as well where it exceeds. You have rightly said that students learn when they have a reason.
(5)Should I presume that being an educator you have read about School Culture-Rituals and Ceremonies, about J.Krishnamurty(a great educator of India,KFI Schools),Gandhi's views on Education, John Dewey, Durkheim’s views on Education, An Ethnography of Life in School by Meenaskshi Thapan. These are a few basic texts which any so called "Educator" can read before giving any expert advice. These articles are mentioned in some of the great works done in the field of education. I would request you to please read at least about Dr.Radhkrishnan so that an educator's viewpoint is naturally reflected in your further comments.
I would also like to thank Mr. Manmauji in giving you an opportunity to reply/comment to my question. This is truly democratization.
Thank You So Very Much!!
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Dear Sir
I have seen the authentic reply of yours posted on neutralviews.I am grateful to you for that.
I had also mailed the Reply to Mr. Educator(as an attachment to my last mail to you) which is not posted on neutralviews.I would urge you to post that so that Mr. Educator can read it.
Regards
Praveen.
Dear Sir
I hope you are doing well.
Please find my reply attached.I hope you will post this reply on neutralviews so that Mr. Educator can read and analyse.
Regards,
P.Shanker
hi man can u tell me how many seats r there in this year and in 2010,the number of vacant seats,as in 2008 it was 751 so how many in 2009 and 2010 will there be an increase or less
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First of all, now that I have been directly addressed, so let me also ‘Directly’ convey to Mr Praveen that he has taken it far too personally and blown my previous mail way out of proportion, and I do not appreciate you attacking my profession or my integrity when I clearly did not single you out. Your reaction is highly juvenile and offending and it shows your contempt of “so called educators” and you have clearly read a bit too much into my post, which was meant for Mr Manmauji, who further posted it on his blog. I do not want to be part of this infantile mudslinging by pointing what kind of work I have done in field of education and how many sleepless nights I have spend, contributing towards bringing change in the way education is imparted in schools or how many workshops I have attended or the list of books I have read. I don’t know what kind of experience Mr. Praveen has had with his teachers, but I am sure he could have kept his sarcasm on the side.
But as you seem to be very agitated and upset, it is my responsibility to atleast try to explain my previous post to you and put your mind at rest, as you are busy with ur prepration.
1. I don’t think Mr Manmauji himself has taken any offence to my appreciation of his blog, nor wsa it meant to be sarcastic! Nowhere did I imply that only the no. of queries is the yardstick for importance popularity of this blog, so lets not drag him into this. And where have I questioned his selflessness? All I can say is that you are presuming too much. I know I am sounding a bit harsh but your post has left me with no option. A person who claims to be a CSE aspirant and I am sure who has put lot of hard work to it should in my opinion display a little ibt more equanimity.
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2. I did not “offer” to reply to any of the posts. I was just sharing my experience as I too had been a CSE aspirant and now a civil servant. I agree that your post made me reminisce the anguish which I and many other aspirants used to go through..the self doubt etc. When I went to a coaching institute I was in a way, discouraged and in fact got intimidated by being told how x no. of years are required to clear and now it would be very difficult to prepare while working. ( as I worked and paid for my coaching fee, and hence am no “armchair philosopher”). I have seen my own acquaintances leaving the preparation mid way, being intimidated by the so called facts. But I by God’s grace cleared in first attempt and since then have always tried to dispel the myth of X no of hours and any fixed formula, so that those who cannot afford to give those number of hours or have other responsibilities, do not get demoralized in the initial stages only.. But I am sad to know that my experience triggered such a reaction from you and at the same time glad that you never felt lost or experienced any kind of fear or came across people who talked about the “formula”. I am no Weber, who made an effort to escape the clasps of “value judgement” but I certainly also no way enumerated do’s and donts. Once again it is your incorrect inference.
3. I did not say ‘all’ but “generally” many aspirants opt for IAS. This has been MY observation and I did not claim to have a scientific data. And I stand by my observation, as I personally get many queries from aspirants who fill in their preference without any clue about other services. I am happy for you that you and your accquantiances have all the required information and have made informed decision.
4. Mr. Parveen, sharing ones experience does not mean ‘stereotyping’. I do not want to comment upon your attempt at categorization and implying that students from ‘well to do families’ “ study for CSE in an intellectual and scholarly manner and afford for arm-chair discussions” ..I would request you to read my post again with a cool mind and without prejudice and please try and not take everything so personally and consequentially insult somebody’s well intentioned advice.
5. I do not want to trivialize this platform any further by posting “tit for tat replies”.
Mr. Manmauji I do not ask you to post this on the blog, if you so wish, but request you to email my reply to Mr. Praveen in my own words.
Regards
Ms Educator/Civil Servant
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